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kinetics
06-18-2009, 09:30 PM
Here's my grand contribution to the site.
This is a work in progress.
I'll post some pics and shit as I have them.
Please read ALL of the following if you plan to try an alignment on your own.
EXPECT THIS TO BE VERY TIME CONSUMING, ESPECIALLY FOR THE FIRST TIME.
Once you get the feel for what you're doing, and get a method down, it will speed up considerably.

Feel free to let me know of any mistakes, so I can correct it.
EDIT: Made math section easier to understand.
EDIT: Added pic for line layouts.

Materials:

These are what I suggest you get:

Camber tool : Some thing like THIS (http://www.speedwaymotors.com/ECONOMY-CASTER-CAMBER-GAUGE,2699.html)
String : Something relatively light, nylon, whatever. Nothing too heavy. You want to be able to use it on the plumb bob
Plumb Bob
Vinyl or Lenolium Tile : cut into 9x9 squares, minimum
Grease : Any kind will do
Grease Pencil : Something bright colored
Level
Square
Laser Level : Optional, it makes a few things easier
Jack Stands : I'd suggest a minimum of 3. You'll be using them to hang lines
Wrenches and shit
Tape Measure
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Prep Work:

First, measure your wheelbase, and stance.
Make stacks of tile with layers of grease in between each tile, and place them where your wheels are going to be.
These are going to act like slip plates, so that when you make a change, the tires don't stick, and prevent the wheel from actually moving, and giving a good measurement.

Next, you need to level out your tile stacks.
Doing this will ensure that you're not getting any weird measurements that will throw off your final alignment.
Use a long piece of wood and your level, get all the tiles the same level.
I also suggest making sure the tiles are high enough that you can reach under the car without jacking it up. A few inches should be more than enough, as long as you're willing to lay on the ground.

Pull your car up on the tiles. I suggest pushing it, as the car has a tendancy to spin tiles off if you give it a little too much throttle.
Get on as straight as you can, and center the wheel.

Now you need to find the centerline of your car.
Measure the distance between the same spot on either side of the frame (lower control arm bolt, for instance), and mark the half way point on the frame (or somewhere under the car where you can see it).
Do this both in the front and in the rear, as near the axel line as you can.
Now take some string, and your plum bob, and transfer those marks to the floor.
Use tape or your grease pencil (or whatever) to mark it as accurately as you can.
(Alternatively, you can make the marks on the bottom of the car before putting it on the tiles, and transfer them afterwards)

Using a length of string, and something heavy like jackstands (or better yet, your laser level), run a line through the centerline marks you just made, make
centerline marks ~10" beyond the nose and tail of the car.
From there, use your square to run another line across the new marks (you'll need a 2nd laser level, or another piece of string, so you know you're on), and make marks ~8-10" outside of the wheels.
We'll call this the toe-line.
If you'd like, you can also use this method to make marks closer to the wheels, rather than the front or rear of the car.
Run your line through your newest marks, and make marks closer to the wheelbase.

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/6789/topviewe.jpg

You should have all of the reference marks you need to take measurements for toe as related to the true center of the car.

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Alignment:

Now you're ready to start aligning.
Go into this knowing that any time you adjust anything, it's going to throw other things off.
For instance, when I did my car, after I corrected the camber, my toe was off by nearly 2"!
After tweaking the toe to be correct, I had to go back, and fine tune the camber again, then the toe again, until everything ended up on.
Also, double check that you're steering wheel doesn't wander off center, occasionally, while you adjust things.
Expect to take a decent amount of time, and a lot of re-checking your work.

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Camber:

Start with your camber.
If you're using the tool I linked, you'll need to do 2 things:
1) Pop off your center caps
2) Zero in the tool

The budget camber tools aren't dialed in to exactly 0*, but an easy fix is to dial it in yourself with a level.
Level your level (duh), but the camber tool on top, and twist the dial until it's perfectly level.
You can make a mark if you'd like, but they tend to drift a little as you use them.
More expensive tools will be larger, and attach to the lip of the rim, usually, and are more accurate.
More expensive, still, are the digital ones.

If you're looking to 0* your camber, it's pretty easy.
Use your square and level to put the camber tool perfectly verticle on inside the center cap area. It should stick to the axel or axel nut.
Loosen up your camber adjuster, and slowly adjust the wheel until it's showing dead level on the camber tool.
In my experience, the bubble level in the camber tool is a bit slower to respond than one in a normal level, so you may want to stop just short, and give it a second to catch up.
I also suggest setting the wheels to negative camber first (which they probably already are, if the car's been lowered), since you can let the weight of the car move the wheel, and stop it when it's within spec.
Keep in mind, if you loosen too much, the wheel will change spec pretty quickly, so be gentle, and move slow, to avoid redoing work.
Repeat for the other side. Then double check both sides, and readjust if needed.
Move to the back, and do the same. Recheck all four wheels.

If you're looking to do a more positive/negative camber setting, note the notches on the dial.
Usually they're 1/4* each (I believe). Remember that you likely have a new 0 setting, so the notches aren't going to be true 1/4*, and you'll have to adjust accordingly.
Just set the tool to the camber you want, and follow the above proceedure (adjust the wheel until level on the tool).

Once you're happy that you're set for camber, move to the toe.
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Toe:

An important thing to note: NO car runs 0 toe.
Typically, rear wheel drive cars will toe in somewhat, and front wheel drive will toe out somewhat (or at least toe in less).
This is because of how the wheels are getting power.
Front wheel drive wheels will pull forward, and drag the car, thus creating their own toe in under acceleration.
Rear wheel drive will push the front wheels, thus creating their own toe out.
CHECK FOR WHAT SPECS YOU SHOULD USE FOR YOUR CAR!!!
You car WILL drive like shit if your toe is off too much.

To start, make sure your steering wheel is still centered.
Using your square, measure the distance from the toe line to the front edge of your rim.
This is one instance where the string setup on jackstands is going to be easier than using the laser level, since you'll want to measure the very front/rear edges of the rim (which is hard to do by marks on the floor).
Then check from the toe line to the rear of the rim, the same way.
Note the difference. (ex: if the front measures 9", and the rear measures 8.5", the difference is .5").
About half of your difference is what will be needed to change on your tie rod to dial in to 0 toe.
This is because as you are pushing out the rear w/the tie rod, the front is also moving in.
However, we know we won't be using 0* toe...

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Here comes the math (and let's hope you were good at geometry in school).
This picture assumes the passenger front wheel
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8618/toeyf.jpg

[EDITED FOR SIMPLICITY]
Basically, take your difference, divided by your wheel width, divided by .017.
That will give you your angle/degree of toe.

With the example of a difference of .5", and a 15" rim, we get the following:

.5 / 15 = .033
.033 / .017 = 1.9

So a difference of .5" is about 2* of toe.
You can easily do this backwards to find out what difference you need to get the degree of toe you want.
Take the degree, multiply by .017, and multiply by the rim width.
So for 4*

4 x .017 = .068
.068 x 15 = 1.02

So, you need to have a difference of about 1.02" to get 4* of toe.

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OK, so back to the work...

Loosen the nut, spin in/out the amout needed (~1/2 your difference), and recheck the measurements. When it's on, tighen the nut back down, and do the otherside.
After you've done both sides, recheck the toe for both sides, and readjust if needed.
Then recheck your camber, and readjust if needed.

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That's really about it.
Most cars don't have adjustable caster, and most people wouldn't advise to tinker with caster anyways.
So forget it.

Chee_dog
06-19-2009, 01:00 AM
after reading this, i'll just fork over 75 bucks to have it done lol. great write up though.

yangoholic
06-19-2009, 01:05 AM
lol yea im with you chee haha!

AlexD
06-19-2009, 01:09 AM
great write up

kinetics
06-19-2009, 08:51 AM
Yeah, the point of the post isn't about saving money, it's about getting an accurate alignment.
Someone originally asked about getting an alignment out of factory spec, and who'd do it. Most shops won't.
This way you can do whatever the hell you want, and you'll actually be far more accurate than the $75 slop shop alignment rack, assuming you put in the time and effort get get it on.

xmodmatt
06-19-2009, 02:28 PM
I did my alignment on my z34 in about 2 hours. I was messing around, but I had a mechantic (sp) with me at my house so I didn't do all the math, he just said do this and I did it.

Great wright up. if I had to do this on my own I wouldn't do it, I would fork over the money

dark_stalker
06-22-2009, 03:44 PM
this should be a sticky

Tou
06-22-2009, 03:52 PM
This way you can do whatever the hell you want, and you'll actually be far more accurate than the $75 slop shop alignment rack, assuming you put in the time and effort get get it on.

So you think having a person taking measurements that can have inconsistent results is more accurate than computer controlled alignment racks?

kinetics
06-23-2009, 10:52 AM
Yes, because inconsistency is a maybe, mostly dependent on the person doing it.
Don't half ass it, and you won't need to worry.
Plus, as I've stated above, most shops won't adjust you outside of factory spec.
And some of us don't feel like driving 1.5-2hrs to a shop that will do it.

slappynuts
09-06-2010, 06:19 PM
There is another way to do it where you string parallel lines with the difference being the track width of the car.Baiscally you divide the difference in tracxk width from front to read by two and then you string the lines that much wider in the rear (almost always the rear is narrower).This is to be done after you checked your tire pressure,put the car on a level surface,and set the camber.Now you center the wheel and set all your toe front and rear.

I actually have a device that clamps on the wheel that I machined in the mill and on the lathe for doing this.

hatchzc
09-06-2010, 06:23 PM
oh my god thank you!

hatchbone
09-06-2010, 07:08 PM
slappy got tons o practice on my car

EG_Seth
09-06-2010, 07:57 PM
good info. so wheres a good alignment shop?

Coots
10-15-2010, 11:19 AM
good info. so wheres a good alignment shop?

Try Stellar Autoworks, in Plymouth. They have some reviews on www.mnscc.net (http://www.mnsportcompacts.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?96-Stellar-Autoworks)

Yes, it costs a bit more than other places, but I think it was well worth the little bit extra.

bmxtrev
10-25-2010, 08:05 PM
excellent read!

mn91da
12-31-2010, 01:07 PM
spend 75 bucks and get it done right

kinetics
12-31-2010, 06:52 PM
spend 75 bucks and get it done right

If you don't half ass your work, this is done right.
I can put together an alignment within less than .3* error margin using this method.

You must be one of those "pay somebody" "tuners", or whatever they call themselves these days.

xmodmatt
01-01-2011, 12:47 AM
You must be one of those "pay somebody" "tuners", or whatever they call themselves these days.

this will be my new sig!

i hate bringing my car in to the shop. and now that i have my own tools i don't need to ask someone for help. i will be using this thread this summer when i redo my suspension.

dirkman
08-12-2011, 03:09 PM
Guys,
I've had really good luck with Jeff Forss down in Bloomington. He has a little shop near 494 and Lyndale...right behind the giant REI. Good prices, nice equipment and he'll do anything you want as far as alignment specs:

http://www.thealignmentguy.com/album.htm

nusdogg
08-12-2011, 04:35 PM
Good info!

punkguitarz66
09-21-2012, 07:06 PM
where the hell is the camber adjustment bolt. that is the only thing I need to know!
stock 1994 civic hatch.
no camber kit, need to adjust the stock camber, getting pretty decent camber wear on the inside of the tire.

H2Beg
09-21-2012, 07:10 PM
where the hell is the camber adjustment bolt. that is the only thing I need to know!
stock 1994 civic hatch.
no camber kit, need to adjust the stock camber, getting pretty decent camber wear on the inside of the tire.

Stock honda's do not have a way to adjust camber or caster. Only F/R toe. If you want to adjust your camber you will need adjustable upper control arms. I have to say though, for most lowered setups you can get away with just setting the toe. A degree or two of negative camber is not going to kill your tires, I'd look into your total toe being way jacked out of spec.

punkguitarz66
09-21-2012, 07:12 PM
on the front??

H2Beg
09-21-2012, 07:15 PM
on the front??

Front or rear. They make front adjustable upper arms, and for the rear as well.

punkguitarz66
09-21-2012, 07:17 PM
thats stuuuuupid.
so not doing that.

xmodmatt
09-21-2012, 07:23 PM
why not? its easy as hell to replace them. and they are not too expensive.

HondaTech00
09-21-2012, 08:57 PM
Rear you can put washers in behind the control arms on the rear if it's not too far off. I have done that before I also have a set of front upper adjustable control arms for sale off a 95 integra don't know what else they will fit though never looked it up yet. They are new never used red in color.

punkguitarz66
09-21-2012, 09:24 PM
yeah, I don't have a job or money.
alls I've got is crx parts to trade haha.

bmxtrev
09-21-2012, 09:59 PM
you get more negative camber as you lower the car more. if you're not running low offset wheels you don't really need to worry. tucking tire up front i have -5* camber with stock uca's. thats a lot, but with proper toe the tires are still just fine. the rear camber is affected less by lowering, only way to add more camber is to get adjustable arms, but you can use the washer trick as mentioned above to add positive camber in the rear.

just make sure your toe is 0.0x and you won't notice the difference in tire wear

Bhillius
09-22-2012, 07:34 PM
sounds like a lot of work, i'd rather wait for like an hour.. $50

haha but sweet write up!