Dont Fukcen Know!!!

[yangoholic]

Ok guys! Well something is wrong with my car and I dont know what the fuck it is!!! So heres the problem, I was in stp yesterday and went grocery shopping right, and then I came back out and started my car....all of a sudden my car wouldnt start! So I had a friend who jump my car and I came back home! So heres the problem:
I turn on the ignition and it would not crank or do anything! The lights would not come on even if the key is not in the ignition. I checked the battery 2 (TWO!!) TIMES and still it was not the battery! It took me the whole day just to take off the alternator and still that was not the fukcen problem! I check the fuses and nope! I put new ground on my car and nothing! What else can be the problem!!! Im so lost!!! And Drew and I took back the battery back to Autozone and tried it on this guys civic. And it worked....so we took it back to my place and now the lights come on again with out the key in the ignition! But what im afraid is if we put back the alternator back on to the car and it dies again! Im just so lost!!!! PLEASE HELP!!!

[yangoholic]

Anyone!!!

[hatchbone]

?????? tried every thing i would of. id check the battery fuse maybe again

[yangoholic]

Yea I check everything twice and Nothing!!

[SlowEGG]

so wait, is your alternator in the car right now? the cars battery light turns out without the key in the ignition? battery is dead, but you can jumpstart it and its okay?

[Chee_dog]

water pumps dead?

[yangoholic]

so wait, is your alternator in the car right now? the cars battery light turns out without the key in the ignition? battery is dead, but you can jumpstart it and its okay?

no my alternator is not on the car right now...and yes the car light doesnt turn on and also yes my car starts if i jumpstart it!

[yangoholic]

water pumps dead?

LOL, I just changed the water pump when I changed my timing belt the same time! and it was not even a month haha!

[Chee_dog]

LOL, I just changed the water pump when I changed my timing belt the same time! and it was not even a month haha!

well, its time for a manual swapped vtec motor lol. Can you start up the car at all or does the battery light come on when you try to crank it?

[yangoholic]

nope....no crank or anything...its just DEAD!!!

[SlowEGG]

so why isn't your alternator in your car? lol you do realize it charges your battery when your car is on right?

[roymacavoy]

well first I would check your grounds, then the main fuse for the car. Then the ignition module, sometimes they can get hot and give you short running distance or run until you shut down and if they dont cool long enough then they wont work. I am assuming the battery is not relocated. Either way, have one of your buddies hold the insulated wire and crank it or attempt to. See if the wires get hot, maybe a short somewhere.

[yangoholic]

no, I took out the alternator to test it if it works at autozone, and they said it still works! but thats the problem, if its not my battery or alternator then what could it be cuz i check everything!!!

[yangoholic]

well first I would check your grounds, then the main fuse for the car. Then the ignition module, sometimes they can get hot and give you short running distance or run until you shut down and if they dont cool long enough then they wont work. I am assuming the battery is not relocated. Either way, have one of your buddies hold the insulated wire and crank it or attempt to. See if the wires get hot, maybe a short somewhere.

hahaha, thats the problem, how can we turn it on or crank it when the car wont even start...lol!

[Chee_dog]

Check water pump again and check the fuse in the engine bay. A new water pump doesn't always mean it won't die on you. This happened to our camery and it was the water pump.

[yangoholic]

but that wouldnt be right though.....i mean the car doesnt crank, lights doesnt come on, and i tested the battery 2 times and got the alternator checked out!

[Chee_dog]

Thats what i was thinking too when i had the problem with the camery lol. But first of all, go look at the main fuses inside the engine bay and check to see if they're all good.

[yangoholic]

what do you mean the fuse in the engine bay...you mean the one thats in the box.....haha..i check every one!

[SlowEGG]

maybe your ignition switch is fucked up. does your car have an alarm? maybe a bad install?

[yangoholic]

haha...no it cant be that...

[djtydus]

dame looks like i'll have to shock the starter and see if it jumps. if not the the power wire on the starter is loose. chue had that issue when he jumped his timing. we did everything and at the end it was his loose power wire on the starter..lol..but i'll come and look at it tommorow when i wake up..NOOBS!!.loll j/k. im still a noob too.

[yangoholic]

hahaha...sure punk!

[S.P.3.3.D]

so it does start with a jump? so u can pretty much rule out starter, ign switch and any fuses. how long does it run with a jumpstart? bc most hondas are known for bad ignition modules in distributor.

i would check ALL electrical connections (including battery cables, alt connections, starter connections etc etc). do ykno what voltage ur battery was when they tested at autozone? anything below 10 isnt good. and how old ur battery is? if its more than 4-5 yrs, then its time to change it. maybe it has a bad cell. check for any corrosions as that will block a good elec connection. if not u can always try sum1 else battery bc most honda's except for accords have a group 51 size battery. if u need a battery, go to autozone bc they have a 2 yr warranty on it and their battery is rated good on consumer reports. if u want they can also charge up ur battery. if u put the alternator back in take a voltmeter and see if its charging the battery (voltage w/ car turned on vs volt w/ car turned off).

[96Dc2LOVE]

did you check if the power and ground cable on ur battery are tight?

[yangoholic]

yup i did everything!

[Tou]

it sounds like the battery

[untitledfolder]

Bad ground/battery cables. Same thing happened to My Corrado on more than one occasion replaced both battery cables and it was all good.

[yangoholic]

hahaha, iv changed new ground and everything!!!

[SlowEGG]

it has to be the battery lol. If NOTHING works, then when you put a set of jumper cables on it and everything is fine and dandy again. I can't see it being anything else. The last time this happened to me, my battery was weak and i needed a new power clamp deal. Started right up and i drove it around and it never died again. I think you should put everything back together. Jump start it. Drive it around for a while to charge the battery and see from there.

[redlinetuning]

clean your battery posts, wire connectors, and put a multi-meter/volt meter to the battery. If your lights don't turn on, or if the starter doesn't click, chances are it's your battery. Do you have a stereo system(amps/subs/etc) in your car? If so, check the grounds there as well, something might be shorting out.

How long does it take to charge/start when you jump it?

[enders]

here was my predicament:

i'm just going to go straight to cliff notes to save time and reading:

-lights began to grow dim.
-Autozone checked my car, said it was my battery.
-Bought new battery.
-Autozone tested it, said it was all good.
-next night, lights began to grow dim agian.
-az said it was my alternator now.
-Bought new alternator, from az, put it in my car
-autozone tested again-said it was good.
-lights began to grow dim agian (WTF???)
-turns out, alternator I bought from az was shit.
-replaced alternator...agian. (had the fuckers test that shit before I left the store)
-dropped my new battery on accident... got another one (haha)
-lights began to grow dim... again.. then, i just said fuck it and kept on driving it.
-as I was driving on highway 36, lights grow dim, lights die, deck dies, car shuts off going 60 mph on the highway.
-shut car off. turn lights on, interior lights are bright. let car sit 5 mintutes, start car up, car starts right up with all bright lights. (WTF x2)

-got alterntor checked agian by az. this time, shows 12.8 volts (voltage reading should be about 13.2) but still said it was "good"
-az wouldn't replace it because their tester labled it as "good." as I bitch and moan my way out of the store.. i ended up reusing that alternator.
-car dies on the highway. go back to az. bitch at them. they're saying its my grounds (i've checked numerous times). Turns out, that now, the stupid tester labels alternator as "bad"

-i give up. its pissing me off. i just replace my alternator every 6-8 months or so. lifetime warranty..so why not.


here's where more wierd shit started happening agian...

-a couple weeks after this alt bullshit, i get into my car, try to start it and "CLICK"
-try it again, "CLICK'
-try it one more time, "VROOM" car starts right up. sweet... and think nothing of it.

next day, the car starts right up.

-the following day, "CLICK" agian
-try the "let it sit then start" thing but didn't work this time.
-got pissed off, started pumping my clutch with key held unto "ON" position, after a few pumps, car starts right up! WTF??????

-sometimes, i will find myself sitting in my car for 10 minutes straight just pumping and pumping and pumping the clutch away till the car starts.

turned out to be a bad starter. not the grounds. not the alternator. not the fucking battery. just the fucking starter.

long post, but hopefully that'll give you some insight. and trust me, when you post something like this up, EVERYONE will be convinced its your grounds. the worst thing is, they don't tell you were any of these grounds are that you need to check. if you replaced and checked them already and peopel are still telling you to check your grounds, they deserve a spike in the head.

pm if you have any questions because I went through hell trying to figure my pos out too!! I was close to rolling my car into a river... no lie.

gl bud.


forgot to mention. my battery light never lit up through this whole ordeal.. also, drive with your radio on or something. if and when your car is about to die, your deck will be the first thing to die. then you know you're going to have a shit of a night coming up.


ONE LAST THING: Something you can do, and do not hold my liable for anything should anything happen, is loosen your negative battery terminal. Start the car up. Pull off the negative terminal. If the car dies, more than likely, its your alternator. The thing is, with new cars, this may or may not work. It worked for me.... so i'm going to go for it and suggest it for you since I know exactly how you feel..

[SlowEGG]

cant be starter because nothing lights up. Stuff only works when he jumps the car. Which leads to the battery/cable connection since he'll pull the battery out and it works fine on another car but doesn't do shit for his car.

[S.P.3.3.D]

if its the starter try tapping the starter solenoid ( which is on top of the starter) bc sometimes that makes it kick in. if not then get it tested too. the solenoid might be dying on you.

[enders]

cant be starter because nothing lights up. Stuff only works when he jumps the car. Which leads to the battery/cable connection since he'll pull the battery out and it works fine on another car but doesn't do shit for his car.

that's what many people said to me too, but, personal experience trumps basic knowledge conceived by literature.

it may not be for him, but it was for me. all i know is, i feel this dude's pain.

get your stuff tested.

[SlowEGG]

so you're saying when your starter was dead. When you turned your key to the on position, none of your lights came on?

[Vtecstyle]

sounds like it could be a bad ecu

[djtydus]

no.. it turned out to be his dame amp power wire..

[Chee_dog]

lol, sometimes its the obvious that cost us tons of dollars in repair, lucky for you superman tou came the rescue ahah. Tou u better pick up when i need help too ahah.

[SlowEGG]

no.. it turned out to be his dame amp power wire..

lol, details...

[S.P.3.3.D]

clean your battery posts, wire connectors, and put a multi-meter/volt meter to the battery. If your lights don't turn on, or if the starter doesn't click, chances are it's your battery. Do you have a stereo system(amps/subs/etc) in your car? If so, check the grounds there as well, something might be shorting out.

How long does it take to charge/start when you jump it?

lol i guess redline guessed it right. yea i wanna know the details too

[yangoholic]

Hahahaha......thanks tou, and chee, pick up your phone next time...lol!!!

[xmodmatt]

Haha. Kids and there music...... lol I knew from the bottom of the first page that it was your wires shorting out. My moms f350 did that same thing just after we installed a amp. It would start but when you drove down a bumpy road it would short out and lose power. Pain in the ass. My car z34 now has 2 or 3 gauge monster wire going from the starter to the batt and every where it need to be. The amp has 8 gauge.

[djtydus]

lol, sometimes its the obvious that cost us tons of dollars in repair, lucky for you superman tou came the rescue ahah. Tou u better pick up when i need help too ahah.

man i always pick up..im down to work on any car.

[yangoholic]

hahaha, are you sure about that...lol!!! haha...anyways imma go to burd house in a bit!!

[Got Vtec]

open ur dizzy and check the wires, i think if the green or yellow has bad connection it wont start, it happend to my prelude.

[twedter02]

hey check your main relay its down by your fuse panel basically under the hood latch in the car it happend to my hatch also it might be the issue
does it have spark? or is it getting fuel?

[djtydus]

old post. been done already. cars running